GDG- Ex Parte Vallandigham - Prequel

[Margaret D. Blough]

Or it may be a modern riff on the durable quote by Tacitus who said "   “They (the Romans) make a desert, and they call it peace."  IIRR, he was commenting on the Roman defeat and obliteration of Carthage.

Regards,

Margaret

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From: "jack" <jlawrence at kc.rr.com> 

> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
> 
> 
> Greetings. 
> 
> That quote has been, in many forms, used for decades now. I think the 
> original quote was "We had to destroy the viollage in order to save it", 
> IIRC. As It has been attributed to many people, including Peter Arnett, who 
> attributed it to an unidentified army officer. ETC ETC Etc. As history, it 
> is most likely a myth. As a metaphor for war, its scarily right on. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Jack 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard M Kadas" 
> To: "GDG" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:03 PM 
> Subject: Re: GDG- Ex Parte Vallandigham - Prequel 
> 
> 
> > Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
> > 
> > 
> > What an interesting rational. It harkens back to the U.S. Army junior 
> > officer who was caught on TV circa 1968 saying, "We had to burn the 
> > village to save it." Tacitus put it more succinctly when he wrote, "They 
> > created a wasteland and called it peace.(he was referring to the Roman 
> > army campaigning in Britain). 
> > Dick 
> > 
> > "Margaret D. Blough" wrote: 
> > Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
> > 
> > 
> > Dennis, 
> > 
> > It should be noted that Confederate authorities arrested the fiery East 
> > Tennessee Unionist William G. "Parson" Brownlow in December 1861 and 
> > "escorted" him into Union lines in early 1862. Civil liberties quite 
> > frequently take a beating in wartime, even in republics and/or 
> > democracies, and civil wars, which make distinguishing friend from foe 
> > difficult and fear of the enemy within that much more intense, are 
> > particularly problematical for civil rights and liberties. 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > 
> > Margaret 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: Dennis Lawrence 
> > 
> >> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> To Edwin M. Stanton 
> >> Executive Mansion, Washington, 
> >> Hon. Secretary of War May 13, 1863. 
> >> 
> >> My dear Sir Since parting with you I have seen the Secretaries of 
> >> State and the Treasury, and they both think we better not issue the 
> >> special suspension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus spoken of. Gov. Chase 
> >> thinks the case is not before Judge Swaine, that it is before Judge 
> >> Levett, that the writ will probably not issue, whichever the 
> >> application may be before; and that, in no event, will Swaine commit 
> >> an imprudence. His chief reason for thinking the writ will not issue, 
> >> is that he has seen in a newspaper that Judge Levett stated that 
> >> Judge Swaine & he refused a similar application last year. Yours 
> >> truly A. LINCOLN 
> >> 
> >> Annotation 
> >> 
> >> [1] ALS, DLC-Stanton Papers. On May 4, Clement L. Vallandigham had 
> >> been arrested, on orders of General Burnside. On May 8, Burnside 
> >> telegraphed in reply to a non-extant telegram from Lincoln, ``Your 
> >> dispatch just rec'd. I thank you for your kind assurance of support & 
> >> beg to say that every possible effort will be made on my part to 
> >> sustain the Govt of the United States in its fullest authority.'' 
> >> (DLC-RTL). The furor in Ohio and throughout the North over the arrest 
> >> and ensuing trial was such that Secretary Stanton feared the impact 
> >> on Union morale if the U.S. district judge should ignore the general 
> >> proclamation suspending the writ of habeas corpus. On May 13, he 
> >> therefore prepared an order especially suspending the writ in 
> >> Vallandigham's case and drafted an accompanying despatch to Burnside. 
> >> Both documents, unsigned, are 
> >> 
> >> http://www.civilwarhome.com/vallandighambio.htm 
> >> 
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