GDG- Pipe Creek where are the maps?

[jack]

It is treated like a side issue, instead of in the context of the campaign. 
Pipe Creek was a reflection of a vision pf how Meade viewed the field. 
Hooker had a different vision, a very different vision.

Meade was in the process of twisting the AoP defensive posture to his 
vision. Meades vision intervened, in the form of Reynolds wing, a hooker 
legacy.

IMHO, Hookers vision more suited Lincoln's vision of the battle plan than 
Hooker. Hooker's vision was shaped to seal Lee after he trapped himself.

Meade's vision would have been a staic defense sahped to do one thing, 
defend DC.

I read an account years ago about a force of crusaders going from one castle 
to the other.

The Knights, fuklly armormed, rode a mile or so ahead. The trains followed. 
In addition to the food, suport team etc their wives and families were in 
there.

A force of saracens attacked the trains, took all the people and other 
portables, then left.

Pipe Creek would have done that to the Cumberland.

When you understand that, you understand why Meade allowed Lee to steal that 
March on him. Meade's job,  in meades mind,  was to make sure Lee left.

We only touch on that.  .
Regards,

Jack
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard M Kadas" <rkadas at sbcglobal.net>
To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: GDG- Pipe Creek where are the maps?


> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> I am totally confounded by rhe interest this group has in pipe creek a 
> never was issue. This particulary confuses me as the specific impact this 
> contingency plan had on AoP operations at GB is obscure at best. Could 
> someone please state succinctly the basis for the group's intense interest 
> in the possible AoP defense line along Pipe Creek?
>  Dick
>
> jack <jlawrence at kc.rr.com> wrote:
>  Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> I'll pick up a copy of the book this weekend.
>
> I found my magazine (home with strep). may/june 2000 Mercators World. I 
> was
> thinking of his valley map-1862-parts of which are reflected in the so
> called invasion map.
>
> It wasn't an invasion map at all, but a theater map designed to reflect 
> the
> area of opeations of the ANV/AoP theater, which did not exist on a 
> military
> basis at that time. During the same period, the WAr Department prepared 4 
> (I
> believe) detailed maps of the same area. This was just prudent 
> preperation.
>
> Hotchkiss was Jackson's mapmaker, in effect and he did indeed seal 
> Hotchkiss
> with the "profound secret" pledge, but everything was a secret with 
> Jackson.
>
> Isn't he the guy that got lost because he could not bring himself to tell
> his guide where he wanted to go?
>
> The Atlas maps are ok, but they lack the detail, because the scale is so
> greatly diminished. OTOH, if the work you cite above shows the property
> owners. This map is over three feet across and longer than that. Which is
> why I am dubious of any Atlas reproduction.
>
> BTW: I am unable to find any copies of the unit maps, simply a reference. 
> It
> was easier to find good map copies of Lee's retreat.
>
> Has any one ever seen them? Or even know their names?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jack
>
> PS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Ryan"
>
> To: "GDG"
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:30 AM
> Subject: RE: GDG- RE: Pipe Creek
>
>
>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>
>>
>> <>
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> I have not seen a copy of the complete Hotchkiss map, but four sizable
>> sections of it are included in McElfresh's "Maps and Mapmakers of the
>> Civil
>> War" of which I have a copy. These show the areas around Chambersburg,
>> Gettysburg, Carlisle, and Williamsport/Hagerstown. They are very detailed
>> including the names of property owners.
>>
>> Also, believe there are sections of the Hotchkiss map in the OR Atlas as
>> well.
>>
>> Regards, Tom
>>
>>
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