GDG- 11th Corp Hospital
Heller, Todd
theller at mercercounty.org
Wed Oct 3 07:44:07 CDT 2007
Greetings Fellow GDGers:
Can Anyone tell me why the 11th Corp had two hospitals? One which is currently for sale where they took Gen Armistead to and the other which is a Bed & Breakfast out past the Gettysburg Outlets on the left. I'm assuming one was a field Hospital?
Thanks,
Todd Heller
Ewing NJ
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2. Motorcycles at Gettysburg (John Baniszewski)
3. Winter Stomp (gary.mcginnis at dot.gov)
4. Re: Winter Stomp (keith mackenzie)
5. Charles McCurdy (Ginny Gage)
6. RE: Charles McCurdy (Chuck May)
7. RE: Charles McCurdy (Chuck May)
8. RE: Charles McCurdy (Bob Coffman - Info From Data Corp.)
9. Stewart (Robert Lawrence)
10. Re: Stewart (Alan D. Brunelle)
11. RE: Charles McCurdy (Chuck May)
12. Charles McCurdy (128thpa at comcast.net)
13. RE: Stewart (Tom Ryan)
14. Local Gettysburg Troops (dwmadison at comcast.net)
15. Re: Charles McCurdy (Lisa Malandra)
16. Re: Local Gettysburg Troops (Lisa Malandra)
17. Re: Charles McCurdy (ccj at infionline.net)
18. Re: Iverson's Pits Question (William Nolan)
19. Charles McCurdy (128thpa at comcast.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Baniszewski <jdbano2001 at yahoo.com>
Subject: GDG- JEB Stuart - Hooker at Gettysburg
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I have no doubt that Hooker would not have done better than Meade, because Hooker had lost the confidence of his subordinates. During the months of May and June, there was a parade of Corp commanders visiting Halleck and Meade, recommending Hooker's removal. Meade was not among the parade, but his letters to his wife make it clear Meade had also lost confidence. When most of the members of a team lose confidence in the team leader, the team seldom performs well.
Meade, on the other hand, was much respected by the Corp commanders (except for Dan the Man). Howard expressed that feeling to Lincoln on July 18. He told Lincoln - - "The successful issue of the battle of Gettysburg was due mainly to the energetic operations of our present commanding General prior to the engagement and to the manner in which he handled his troops on the field. The reserves have never before during the war been thrown in at just the right moment. . . . Moreover I have never seen a more hearty co-operation on the part of General officers as since General Meade took the command".
Lee made the observation in his resignation request that "No matter what may be the ability of the officer, if he loses the confidence of his troops disaster must sooner or later ensue". In June of 1863, Hooker had totally lost the confidence of most of his Corp commanders. I think disaster would have ensued.
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:15:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Baniszewski <jdbano2001 at yahoo.com>
Subject: GDG- Motorcycles at Gettysburg
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I know next to nothing about motorcycles. I welcome bikers to Gettysburg. I welcome their bikes. But I do not welcome their noise. I do have a serious question for those bikers who like to ride around Gettysburg - is there no way to lower the noise level?
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:41:15 -0400
From: <gary.mcginnis at dot.gov>
Subject: GDG- Winter Stomp
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I'm partial to the defense side but that doesn't make a very good stomp.
Perhaps the area from the PO to the Klingle House.
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith mackenzie <bluzdad at yahoo.com>
Subject: GDG- Winter Stomp
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Again, I know it's a tad early, but I recently recieved an EM suggesting
a Kershaw's Brigade tour. Now, we did Anderson With WW two years ago, or
maybe three, and I did Barksdale myself last year, before the Wrights
Brigade, (alternate ending) tour. I'm thinking maybe staying with the en
echelon movement might be a good idea.
Anyone else think it's a good fit?
k.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:02:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith mackenzie <bluzdad at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GDG- Winter Stomp
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Gary, I was thinking maybe Graham, Brewster or Carr?
K.
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Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
I'm partial to the defense side but that doesn't make a very good stomp.
Perhaps the area from the PO to the Klingle House.
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith mackenzie
Subject: GDG- Winter Stomp
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Again, I know it's a tad early, but I recently recieved an EM suggesting
a Kershaw's Brigade tour. Now, we did Anderson With WW two years ago, or
maybe three, and I did Barksdale myself last year, before the Wrights
Brigade, (alternate ending) tour. I'm thinking maybe staying with the en
echelon movement might be a good idea.
Anyone else think it's a good fit?
k.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:53:56 -0400
From: Ginny Gage <lewandginny at emailmv.com>
Subject: GDG- Charles McCurdy
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Hi Paula,
Yes, it is the same Charles McCurdy. Funny, but after I reread the
obituary, I realized that only those of us who have studied the civilians of
Gettysburg would even know who this was! Thank you for posting what you
did.
He was a young boy of 10 years of age at the time of the famous battle and
wrote his memoirs as an adult and they are in print. I believe we purchased
our copy at the VC a number of years ago.
Like you, Lew and I do a ³Civilians of Gettysburg² presentation in Vermont
and NH. We¹re members of the NH Humanities Council. Lew portrays Charlie
McCurdy and tells about his experiences as a young boy, as well as some of
the stories from the other boys his own age. I portray Sarah Broadhead and
talk about her experiences and some of the ladies experiences in town just
before the battle, during, and for some time after the battle. One aspect
of the Battle of Gettysburg most people don¹t know much about.
Ginny
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 16:15:14 -0400
From: "Chuck May" <chuckmay at may-engineering.com>
Subject: RE: GDG- Charles McCurdy
To: "'GDG'" <gettysburg at arthes.com>, "'Gettysburg Discussion Group'"
<gettysburg at gdg.org>
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I hope Lew doesn't attempt to portray Charlie as a young boy. The
imagination can only be stretched so far! <g>
Chuck May
Gettysburg PA
ChuckMay at alpha-scientific-lab.com
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:54 PM
To: Gettysburg Discussion Group
Subject: GDG- Charles McCurdy
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Hi Paula,
Yes, it is the same Charles McCurdy. Funny, but after I reread the
obituary, I realized that only those of us who have studied the civilians of
Gettysburg would even know who this was! Thank you for posting what you
did.
He was a young boy of 10 years of age at the time of the famous battle and
wrote his memoirs as an adult and they are in print. I believe we purchased
our copy at the VC a number of years ago.
Like you, Lew and I do a ³Civilians of Gettysburg² presentation in Vermont
and NH. We¹re members of the NH Humanities Council. Lew portrays Charlie
McCurdy and tells about his experiences as a young boy, as well as some of
the stories from the other boys his own age. I portray Sarah Broadhead and
talk about her experiences and some of the ladies experiences in town just
before the battle, during, and for some time after the battle. One aspect
of the Battle of Gettysburg most people don¹t know much about.
Ginny
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 16:15:14 -0400
From: "Chuck May" <chuckmay at may-engineering.com>
Subject: RE: GDG- Charles McCurdy
To: "'GDG'" <gettysburg at arthes.com>, "'Gettysburg Discussion Group'"
<gettysburg at gdg.org>
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I hope Lew doesn't attempt to portray Charlie as a young boy. The
imagination can only be stretched so far! <g>
Chuck May
Gettysburg PA
ChuckMay at alpha-scientific-lab.com
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On Behalf Of Ginny Gage
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:54 PM
To: Gettysburg Discussion Group
Subject: GDG- Charles McCurdy
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Hi Paula,
Yes, it is the same Charles McCurdy. Funny, but after I reread the
obituary, I realized that only those of us who have studied the civilians of
Gettysburg would even know who this was! Thank you for posting what you
did.
He was a young boy of 10 years of age at the time of the famous battle and
wrote his memoirs as an adult and they are in print. I believe we purchased
our copy at the VC a number of years ago.
Like you, Lew and I do a ³Civilians of Gettysburg² presentation in Vermont
and NH. We¹re members of the NH Humanities Council. Lew portrays Charlie
McCurdy and tells about his experiences as a young boy, as well as some of
the stories from the other boys his own age. I portray Sarah Broadhead and
talk about her experiences and some of the ladies experiences in town just
before the battle, during, and for some time after the battle. One aspect
of the Battle of Gettysburg most people don¹t know much about.
Ginny
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 16:25:00 -0400
From: "Bob Coffman - Info From Data Corp." <bcoffman at infofromdata.com>
Subject: RE: GDG- Charles McCurdy
To: "'Gettysburg Discussion Group'" <gettysburg at gdg.org>
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>I hope Lew doesn't attempt to portray Charlie as a young boy. The
imagination can only be stretched so far! <g>
Isn't Lew that young man who I tried to keep up with while climbing BRT??
;)
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 16:41:30 -0400
From: "Robert Lawrence" <lawrence at rwlcpa.com>
Subject: GDG- Stewart
To: <gettysburg at gdg.org>
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If Stewart doesn't die does he become the scapegoat of Gettysburg
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:54:16 -0400
From: "Alan D. Brunelle" <Alan.Brunelle at hp.com>
Subject: Re: GDG- Stewart
To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com>
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Robert Lawrence wrote:
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> If Stewart doesn't die does he become the scapegoat of Gettysburg
>
IIRC, wasn't he one of the scapegoats prior to his demise?
Regards,
Alan
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:15:14 -0400
From: "Chuck May" <chuckmay at may-engineering.com>
Subject: RE: GDG- Charles McCurdy
To: "'Gettysburg Discussion Group'" <gettysburg at gdg.org>
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I'm not sure. I was lagging too far behind, trying to catch my breath.
Chuck May
Gettysburg PA
ChuckMay at alpha-scientific-lab.com
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On Behalf Of Bob Coffman - Info From Data Corp.
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:25 PM
To: 'Gettysburg Discussion Group'
Subject: RE: GDG- Charles McCurdy
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>I hope Lew doesn't attempt to portray Charlie as a young boy. The
imagination can only be stretched so far! <g>
Isn't Lew that young man who I tried to keep up with while climbing BRT??
;)
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:32:33 +0000
From: 128thpa at comcast.net
Subject: GDG- Charles McCurdy
To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com>
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Thanks for the info on his memoirs Ginny - I didn't know about that. I agree, the Civilians throughout the entire war are overlooked, but more and more is being done.
I know someone who does a fantastic Tillie Pierce, as a woman looking back on her experiences. I have been to Tillie's grave many times in Selinsgrove.
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From: Ginny Gage <lewandginny at emailmv.com>
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> Hi Paula,
>
> Yes, it is the same Charles McCurdy. Funny, but after I reread the
> obituary, I realized that only those of us who have studied the civilians of
> Gettysburg would even know who this was! Thank you for posting what you
> did.
>
> He was a young boy of 10 years of age at the time of the famous battle and
> wrote his memoirs as an adult and they are in print. I believe we purchased
> our copy at the VC a number of years ago.
>
> Like you, Lew and I do a ³Civilians of Gettysburg² presentation in Vermont
> and NH. We¹re members of the NH Humanities Council. Lew portrays Charlie
> McCurdy and tells about his experiences as a young boy, as well as some of
> the stories from the other boys his own age. I portray Sarah Broadhead and
> talk about her experiences and some of the ladies experiences in town just
> before the battle, during, and for some time after the battle. One aspect
> of the Battle of Gettysburg most people don¹t know much about.
>
> Ginny
>
urg/
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:40:33 -0400
From: "Tom Ryan" <pennmardel at mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: GDG- Stewart
To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
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<<If Stewart doesn't die does he become the scapegoat of Gettysburg>>
<<IIRC, wasn't he one of the scapegoats prior to his demise?>>
According to Mark Nesbitt's "Saber and Scapegoat: J.E.B. Stuart and the
Gettysburg Controversy," the casting around for scapegoats mainly started
after some of the participants wrote articles and published memoirs ten or
more years after the war. The controversy appears to have heated up toward
the end of the 19th century.
In 1908, John Mosby came out with a defense of Stuart's actions during the
campaign in a book titled "Stuart's Cavalry in the Gettysburg Campaign."
Tom
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:48:09 +0000
From: dwmadison at comcast.net
Subject: GDG- Local Gettysburg Troops
To: gettysburg at arthes.com
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I have a question about the men who lived in the Gettysburg area prior to the battle and actually fought there. I know about the Welsy Culp story. Are there any others who left writngs about their experiences and what regiments they belonged to.
Thanks
Dennis
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:03:15 -0400
From: "Lisa Malandra" <lisam3860 at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: GDG- Charles McCurdy
To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
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The bookstore run by Eastern National at the Visitor Center has memoirs by
Sarah Broadhead, Charles McCurdy, and Daniel Skelly. I recently found
online Leander Warren's. They are there if you have the patience to look
for them. Enjoy when you do, they are wonderful glimpses into 19th century
Gettysburg.
Lisa Malandra
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To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: GDG- Charles McCurdy
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> Thanks for the info on his memoirs Ginny - I didn't know about that. I
> agree, the Civilians throughout the entire war are overlooked, but more
> and more is being done.
>
> I know someone who does a fantastic Tillie Pierce, as a woman looking back
> on her experiences. I have been to Tillie's grave many times in
> Selinsgrove.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Ginny Gage <lewandginny at emailmv.com>
>
>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>
>>
>> Hi Paula,
>>
>> Yes, it is the same Charles McCurdy. Funny, but after I reread the
>> obituary, I realized that only those of us who have studied the civilians
>> of
>> Gettysburg would even know who this was! Thank you for posting what you
>> did.
>>
>> He was a young boy of 10 years of age at the time of the famous battle
>> and
>> wrote his memoirs as an adult and they are in print. I believe we
>> purchased
>> our copy at the VC a number of years ago.
>>
>> Like you, Lew and I do a ³Civilians of Gettysburg² presentation in
>> Vermont
>> and NH. We¹re members of the NH Humanities Council. Lew portrays Charlie
>> McCurdy and tells about his experiences as a young boy, as well as some
>> of
>> the stories from the other boys his own age. I portray Sarah Broadhead
>> and
>> talk about her experiences and some of the ladies experiences in town
>> just
>> before the battle, during, and for some time after the battle. One aspect
>> of the Battle of Gettysburg most people don¹t know much about.
>>
>> Ginny
>>
> urg/
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:11:12 -0400
From: "Lisa Malandra" <lisam3860 at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: GDG- Local Gettysburg Troops
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Henry Minnigh who lived on West Middle Street before he enlisted, wrote,
"History of Company K;First Pennsylvania Reserves" .It was published in 1998
by Thomas Publications. It is a history of the regiment but also includes
stories of himself and other local men.
Lisa Malandra
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: GDG- Local Gettysburg Troops
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> I have a question about the men who lived in the Gettysburg area prior to
> the battle and actually fought there. I know about the Welsy Culp story.
> Are there any others who left writngs about their experiences and what
> regiments they belonged to.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dennis
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:27:00 -0500
From: <ccj at infionline.net>
Subject: Re: GDG- Charles McCurdy
To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
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Do any of you know who portrays General Longstreet and (I expect) Mrs.
General Longstreet? I met this couple at Antietam recently at the Pry
House, but I never asked for the real-life names.
Curt Johnson
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:44:21 -0400
From: William Nolan <wjn100 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GDG- Iverson's Pits Question
To: GDG <gettysburg at gdg.org>
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Hello Jack,
I may have seen the area you are referring to. We saw a very, very slight depression running parallel to the park road about 6-8 feet wide and maybe 80 yards long. I stepped off the distance from the "Sallie" monument and it was 50 yards from the park road which is within the 100 - 200 foot distance you mentioned. It was a straight line but it may been just a natural drainage area. Don't know. It would be great to have the Lawrence Brothers do a repeat Iverson's Pits tour for those of us who missed the first debacle :)
Thanks,
Bill
Original Message: 12Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:41:16 -0400From: "Jack Kelly" <jmkelly at norwoodlight.com>Subject: Re: GDG- Iverson's Pits QuestionTo: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>Message-ID: <001101c804f1$86f60a40$f3f5d3d8 at kellysnxoj8ku0>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Greetings, Bill, The REAL experts on Iverson's Pits are the brothers Lawrence, as proved in the infamous 1996 (or was it 1997?) Muster "Iverson's Pits Ghost Tour". However, I will attempt to answer your inquiry. The field in front of the stone wall was, as you know, the scene of Iverson's attack. The Pits were in the middle of the field, and the interred remains were removed in the late 1800's (1880's IIRC). The land itself was continuously farmed until fairly recently, so there would be little evidence of the Pits surviving.However, some 20-25 years ago, I was on a November Gettysburg tour with the old Civil War Society and we visited the Pits area. Most of th
e grass in the field was brown, but there were some roughly rectangular areas about 100-200 feet in front of the stone wall where the grass was very green. We opined at the time that this may have been the site of the burial pits (richer soil than in the surrounding area?). Other than this occasion, I have never seen any surviving evidence of Iverson's Pits. Regards, Jack Kelly
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:57:15 +0000
From: 128thpa at comcast.net
Subject: GDG- Charles McCurdy
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Thanks Lisa!
Paula
>
> The bookstore run by Eastern National at the Visitor Center has memoirs by
> Sarah Broadhead, Charles McCurdy, and Daniel Skelly. I recently found
> online Leander Warren's. They are there if you have the patience to look
> for them. Enjoy when you do, they are wonderful glimpses into 19th century
> Gettysburg.
> Lisa Malandra
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:03:02 +0000
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Subject: GDG- Longstreet first person
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Curt:
I know Allan Shikhvarg and his wife do Gen and Mrs Longstreet.
Don't know if they are the same folks you met.
Paula
> Do any of you know who portrays General Longstreet and (I expect) Mrs.
> General Longstreet? I met this couple at Antietam recently at the Pry
> House, but I never asked for the real-life names.
>
> Curt Johnson
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:03:04 -0400
From: "waltermolly at earthlink.net" <waltermolly at earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: GDG- Charles McCurdy
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Lisa,
WHere did you find Warren's online?
Thanks,
Walter
> >
> > The bookstore run by Eastern National at the Visitor Center has memoirs
by
> > Sarah Broadhead, Charles McCurdy, and Daniel Skelly. I recently found
> > online Leander Warren's. They are there if you have the patience to
look
> > for them. Enjoy when you do, they are wonderful glimpses into 19th
century
> > Gettysburg.
> > Lisa Malandra
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:14:39 -0400
From: "Lisa Malandra" <lisam3860 at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: GDG- Charles McCurdy
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ABE Books. This was back in March and was a first edition. I treated
myself to a birthday present!
Go to www.abebooks.com.
Lisa
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> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> Lisa,
> WHere did you find Warren's online?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Walter
>
>
>> >
>> > The bookstore run by Eastern National at the Visitor Center has memoirs
> by
>> > Sarah Broadhead, Charles McCurdy, and Daniel Skelly. I recently found
>> > online Leander Warren's. They are there if you have the patience to
> look
>> > for them. Enjoy when you do, they are wonderful glimpses into 19th
> century
>> > Gettysburg.
>> > Lisa Malandra
>>
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:05:21 -0500
From: <ccj at infionline.net>
Subject: Re: GDG- Longstreet first person
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Paula,
Many thanks. I can say that the fellow portraying General Longstreet bears
a close resemblance to the general's photos and that Mrs. Longstreet and I
had a conversation about research and writing, and I believe that she is
working on a book on Longstreet's staff officers (which I, for one, would
buy!). Nice folks. They also had a splendid, mostly well-behaved dog.
Meeting Longstreet enjoying a cigar at the Pry House was somewhat
incongruous!
Curt
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: GDG- Longstreet first person
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> Curt:
>
> I know Allan Shikhvarg and his wife do Gen and Mrs Longstreet.
>
> Don't know if they are the same folks you met.
>
> Paula
>> Do any of you know who portrays General Longstreet and (I expect) Mrs.
>> General Longstreet? I met this couple at Antietam recently at the Pry
>> House, but I never asked for the real-life names.
>>
>> Curt Johnson
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:50:09 -0400
From: "Terry" <terrybrasko at mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: GDG- bikes in the 'Burg
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We live here in town now, too. We make sure that we are out of town when
the bikes are in town.
Terry (Egley) Brasko
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:24 PM
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Subject: GDG- bikes in the 'Burg
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Hello,
Having lived in Gettysburg for a number of years, I experienced the
increase of bikers and the bike rallies. I know bikers love their bikes, the
noise and all associated with them.
However, I will never forget the noise, and the attitudes of many of the
bikers. In short, I left town when I knew they were coming.
I don't think they add anything to the community. Yes, I know they raise
money for the battlefield, and so believe they also have the right to make
their noise and display their attitude.
There was a time I thought bikes were cool. Not any more.
JoAnn
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Baniszewski
Subject: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
To: gettysburg at arthes.com
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The one and only thing that bothers me about motorcycles in Gettysburg is
the loudness of them on the battlefield. There are probably still the
remains of hundreds of young Americans lying beneath the soil, all over the
battlefield. Not all bodies were found when the re-internments were done. It
was just a few years ago that remains of a young man were found at the
railroad cut.
Many motorcycles are loud. Many motorcyclists like them because they are
loud. But there are certain places and times where loudness does not belong.
Would you shout in the middle of a funeral? Would you drive through a
cemetery with your car windows down and your radio playing at max volume?
The entire battlefield is a cemetery. Cycles on Route 15 are fine. But the
roads on the battlefield are not there for vehicle traffic - they are there
to enable you to visit this unique and somber place. The battlefield can be
visited on foot, or on the bus.
I no longer give tours during Harley Weekend, for the above reasons. I also
recommend people to avoid that weekend for visits to the battlefield.
John Baniszewski, LBG
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:48:22 -0400
From: "Peggy Rock"
Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
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Keith,
It is a dream come true. Been here one year.
Can't wait for everyone to see the tree clearing
west of the Triangular Field. Stunning is too
mild a word.
Regards,
Peggy
----- Original Message -----
From: "keith mackenzie"
To: "GDG"
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> Peggy:
> when did you move there? I thought you lived upstate NY someplace. I ask
> only because I'm jealous. Anyway, congrats.
> Must be like a dream come true.
>
> K.
>
>
> Peggy Rock wrote: Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> Keith,
>
> As I am now a resident of Gettysburg, I will side with Lisa on this one.
>
> Residents, tourists and students of the battle are indeed deterred by
> biker
> events -- they tell me all the time in my shop that they avoid the place
> and/or will never return when the bikers are in town. Also, many tourists
> who may return say that they will not -- and, yes, some "tourists" do come
> back (that's how they get the fever and eventually become "students").
> Unfortunately, many first-time visitors ask me how we stand it with so
> many
> bikers in town all the time, not realizing that it is not always as bad as
> they days they happen to be here. Also, I don't think the community is
> "apprehensive" about biker events -- just highly inconvenienced, irritated
> and annoyed and it is not the large groups of "people" that the residents
> complain about, it's the loud, obnoxious motorcycles they are sitting on
> and
> riding through town.
>
> That being said, there is no way to stop the bikes and at least the
> current
> event actually benefited the park and not just the bars and hotels.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peggy Rock
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keith mackenzie"
> To: "GDG"
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:41 AM
> Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
>
>
>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>
>>
>> Lisa:
>> I can easily imagine! You know my mama used to say, "Loud is as Loud
>> does."
>>
>> now, not to appear contentious, there are a couple of points I'd like to
>> make.
>>
>>
>> Real tourists never go to the same place twice. There's not enough time
>> to
>> go every where and see everything. There is a fundimentel truth to the
>> statement,"Been there, done that, got the t shirt to prove it." I would
>> suggest that it's the "students" of G'burg who return time after time,
>> and
>> they won't be deterred by weather, deer ticks or Bikers on Parade.
>>
>> I'm well aware of a community's apprehension about hosting an event of
>> this nature, but G'burg has been hosting and promoting events for large
>> groups of people since "day five". And they've been complaining about it
>> since day six.
>>
>> As you say, it is a great cause. I'm sure the GBPA and the Daniel Lady
>> farm appreciate the community's tolerance of a few hours of Heavy Metal
>> Thunder, so that they can continue the work that they have so selflessly
>> dedicated themselves to.
>>
>> Let me know when the next one is. I'll bring my friends and you can ride
>> with me!
>>
>> K.
>> Avoiding the shed on
>> Long Island, NY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lisa Malandra
> wrote: Esteemed GDG Member
>> Contributes:
>>
>>
>> Loud wasn't the word for it. Although for a great cause, this small
>> community cannot handle too many more of these types of events. The
>> innocent everyday tourist who arrives on days like yesterday vow never to
>> return.
>> Lisa Malandra
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "keith mackenzie"
>> To: "GDG"
>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
>>
>>
>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Bet it was loud.
>>>
>>> K.
>>> (A.B.A.T.E. of Eastern Suffolk)
>>>
>>> thepurd at comcast.net wrote: Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>> Today's "Ride to Gettysburg" sponsored by A.B.A.T. E. of PA was
>>> spectacular success....possibly the largest # of riders in its 7 year
>>> history. Line of bikes on Route 15 was close to three miles long...
>>> impressive site site from a bridge.
>>> Rep. Readshaw will release details Monday.
>>> Riders included Lt. Gov. Katherine Baker Knoll, Superior Court Judge (
>>> and
>>> Supreme Court candidate) Seamus McCaffery, and Dan Moul ...state Rep.
>>> from
>>> Gettysburg. Readshaw was unable to ride a motorcycle due to a back
>>> problem, but his wife, Carol, did.
>>> Proceedes will be split between the Pennsylvania Gettysburg Monuments
>>> Project and the Gettysburg Battlefield Preservation Association for the
>>> preservation of the Daniel Lady Farm.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Jay Purdy
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:03:34 -0400
From: "Lisa Malandra"
Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
To: "GDG"
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Since I started this before I left the house this morning, it is interesting
to read everyone's comments. The post from John B. (LBG) comes very close
to my sentiments. Remenber please that the fields that surround this town
that are owned by the NPS is not the only "battlefield". As a Licensed Town
Guide I help people understand how the military action changed this place,
and yes that has been since "day 5". The disrespect of some unfortunately
taint the whole. I also agree that events like yesterdays' are at least
benfitting a worthwhile cause, but when certain events literally shut down a
community, that's wrong. We no longer conduct Town Tours during certain
events, and I have worked in some retail & museum environments that close as
well. The residents of Gettysburg do not welcome these events at all, they
are simply forced on us. We simply learn how to cope with a very unpleasant
experience.
Lisa Malandra
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Baniszewski"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
The one and only thing that bothers me about motorcycles in Gettysburg is
the loudness of them on the battlefield. There are probably still the
remains of hundreds of young Americans lying beneath the soil, all over the
battlefield. Not all bodies were found when the re-internments were done.
It was just a few years ago that remains of a young man were found at the
railroad cut.
Many motorcycles are loud. Many motorcyclists like them because they are
loud. But there are certain places and times where loudness does not
belong. Would you shout in the middle of a funeral? Would you drive
through a cemetery with your car windows down and your radio playing at max
volume? The entire battlefield is a cemetery. Cycles on Route 15 are fine.
But the roads on the battlefield are not there for vehicle traffic - they
are there to enable you to visit this unique and somber place. The
battlefield can be visited on foot, or on the bus.
I no longer give tours during Harley Weekend, for the above reasons. I also
recommend people to avoid that weekend for visits to the battlefield.
John Baniszewski, LBG
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:33:00 -0400
From: "Jim Lamason"
Subject: RE: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
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I will add my amens to all of your thoughts.
I have been in town for only one of these days. As a result, I now stay away
from it for that very reason.
I know it makes the town needed funds to operate but other then that?
I wish didn't have to happen!
JIM Lamason
-----Original Message-----
From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com [mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com]
On Behalf Of Lisa Malandra
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:04 PM
To: GDG
Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Since I started this before I left the house this morning, it is interesting
to read everyone's comments. The post from John B. (LBG) comes very close
to my sentiments. Remenber please that the fields that surround this town
that are owned by the NPS is not the only "battlefield". As a Licensed Town
Guide I help people understand how the military action changed this place,
and yes that has been since "day 5". The disrespect of some unfortunately
taint the whole. I also agree that events like yesterdays' are at least
benfitting a worthwhile cause, but when certain events literally shut down a
community, that's wrong. We no longer conduct Town Tours during certain
events, and I have worked in some retail & museum environments that close as
well. The residents of Gettysburg do not welcome these events at all, they
are simply forced on us. We simply learn how to cope with a very unpleasant
experience.
Lisa Malandra
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Baniszewski"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
The one and only thing that bothers me about motorcycles in Gettysburg is
the loudness of them on the battlefield. There are probably still the
remains of hundreds of young Americans lying beneath the soil, all over the
battlefield. Not all bodies were found when the re-internments were done.
It was just a few years ago that remains of a young man were found at the
railroad cut.
Many motorcycles are loud. Many motorcyclists like them because they are
loud. But there are certain places and times where loudness does not
belong. Would you shout in the middle of a funeral? Would you drive
through a cemetery with your car windows down and your radio playing at max
volume? The entire battlefield is a cemetery. Cycles on Route 15 are fine.
But the roads on the battlefield are not there for vehicle traffic - they
are there to enable you to visit this unique and somber place. The
battlefield can be visited on foot, or on the bus.
I no longer give tours during Harley Weekend, for the above reasons. I also
recommend people to avoid that weekend for visits to the battlefield.
John Baniszewski, LBG
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:10:06 -0400
From: "Tom Ryan"
Subject: RE: GDG- JEB Stuart
To: "GDG"
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Keith,
<either through circumstance or misadventure, to follow? Did he even know if
there was such a plan?>>
There is nothing in the messages from Lee or Longstreet about a timetable
for Stuart's movements. Unfortnately none of Stuart's messages to Lee are
available, so there is no way to know whether he was working on a timetable.
<but didn't insist. This sounds to me very much like his "suggestion" that
Ewell "take that hill" on day one.>>
On June 23, Lee followed up his June 22 message to Stuart and told him that
"should [Hooker's army] not appear to be moving northward, I think you had
better withdraw this side of the mountain to-morrow night, cross at
Shepherdstown next day, and move over to Fredericktown. You will, however,
be able to judge whether you can pass around their army without
hinderance...."
Those are pretty vague orders. But my reading of the situation is, once
Stuart realized that the Union army was moving northward (in other words the
opposite of "not...moving northward"), he felt that he had the authority to
"pass around their army." If this reading of Lee's orders is correct, then
Stuart was following orders when he detoured around the rear of the Union
army.
<earned. I also know that cavalry is a fairly autonomous instrument and used
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