GDG- bikes in the 'Burg

Tue Oct 2 20:50:09 CDT 2007

We live here in town now, too.  We make sure that we are out of town when
the bikes are in town.  

Terry (Egley) Brasko

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From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com [mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com]
On Behalf Of JoAnn Bartlett
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:24 PM
To: gettysburg at arthes.com
Subject: GDG- bikes in the 'Burg

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:

Hello,
  Having lived in Gettysburg for a number of years, I experienced the
increase of bikers and the bike rallies. I know bikers love their bikes, the
noise and all associated with them.
  However, I will never forget the noise, and the attitudes of many of the
bikers. In short, I left town when I knew they were coming.
  I don't think they add anything to the community. Yes, I know they raise
money for the battlefield, and so believe they also have the right to make
their noise and display their attitude. 
  There was a time I thought bikes were cool. Not any more.
  JoAnn

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1. Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg (John Baniszewski)
2. Re: Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg (Peggy Rock)
3. Re: Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg (Lisa Malandra)
4. RE: Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg (Jim Lamason)
5. RE: JEB Stuart (Tom Ryan)
6. Culp's Hill scenario: not sure when I'll do it (Todd Estabrooks)
7. Culp's Hill scenario: not sure when I'll do it (Todd Estabrooks)
8. Fort Monroe and Williamsburg (The Mills)
9. Re: Fort Monroe and Williamsburg (Bob George)
10. Re: Fort Monroe and Williamsburg (Jeff Quinton)
11. RE: JEB Stuart (keith mackenzie)
12. Mr Lincoln - 1858 (Dennis Lawrence)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Baniszewski 
Subject: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
To: gettysburg at arthes.com
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The one and only thing that bothers me about motorcycles in Gettysburg is
the loudness of them on the battlefield. There are probably still the
remains of hundreds of young Americans lying beneath the soil, all over the
battlefield. Not all bodies were found when the re-internments were done. It
was just a few years ago that remains of a young man were found at the
railroad cut.

Many motorcycles are loud. Many motorcyclists like them because they are
loud. But there are certain places and times where loudness does not belong.
Would you shout in the middle of a funeral? Would you drive through a
cemetery with your car windows down and your radio playing at max volume?
The entire battlefield is a cemetery. Cycles on Route 15 are fine. But the
roads on the battlefield are not there for vehicle traffic - they are there
to enable you to visit this unique and somber place. The battlefield can be
visited on foot, or on the bus.

I no longer give tours during Harley Weekend, for the above reasons. I also
recommend people to avoid that weekend for visits to the battlefield.

John Baniszewski, LBG

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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:48:22 -0400
From: "Peggy Rock" 
Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
To: "GDG" 
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Keith,

It is a dream come true. Been here one year.
Can't wait for everyone to see the tree clearing
west of the Triangular Field. Stunning is too
mild a word.

Regards,

Peggy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "keith mackenzie" 
To: "GDG" 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg

> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> Peggy:
> when did you move there? I thought you lived upstate NY someplace. I ask 
> only because I'm jealous. Anyway, congrats.
> Must be like a dream come true.
>
> K.
>
>
> Peggy Rock wrote: Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>
>
> Keith,
>
> As I am now a resident of Gettysburg, I will side with Lisa on this one.
>
> Residents, tourists and students of the battle are indeed deterred by 
> biker
> events -- they tell me all the time in my shop that they avoid the place
> and/or will never return when the bikers are in town. Also, many tourists
> who may return say that they will not -- and, yes, some "tourists" do come
> back (that's how they get the fever and eventually become "students").
> Unfortunately, many first-time visitors ask me how we stand it with so 
> many
> bikers in town all the time, not realizing that it is not always as bad as
> they days they happen to be here. Also, I don't think the community is
> "apprehensive" about biker events -- just highly inconvenienced, irritated
> and annoyed and it is not the large groups of "people" that the residents
> complain about, it's the loud, obnoxious motorcycles they are sitting on 
> and
> riding through town.
>
> That being said, there is no way to stop the bikes and at least the 
> current
> event actually benefited the park and not just the bars and hotels.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peggy Rock
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "keith mackenzie"
> To: "GDG"
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:41 AM
> Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
>
>
>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>
>>
>> Lisa:
>> I can easily imagine! You know my mama used to say, "Loud is as Loud
>> does."
>>
>> now, not to appear contentious, there are a couple of points I'd like to
>> make.
>>
>>
>> Real tourists never go to the same place twice. There's not enough time 
>> to
>> go every where and see everything. There is a fundimentel truth to the
>> statement,"Been there, done that, got the t shirt to prove it." I would
>> suggest that it's the "students" of G'burg who return time after time, 
>> and
>> they won't be deterred by weather, deer ticks or Bikers on Parade.
>>
>> I'm well aware of a community's apprehension about hosting an event of
>> this nature, but G'burg has been hosting and promoting events for large
>> groups of people since "day five". And they've been complaining about it
>> since day six.
>>
>> As you say, it is a great cause. I'm sure the GBPA and the Daniel Lady
>> farm appreciate the community's tolerance of a few hours of Heavy Metal
>> Thunder, so that they can continue the work that they have so selflessly
>> dedicated themselves to.
>>
>> Let me know when the next one is. I'll bring my friends and you can ride
>> with me!
>>
>> K.
>> Avoiding the shed on
>> Long Island, NY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lisa Malandra
> wrote: Esteemed GDG Member
>> Contributes:
>>
>>
>> Loud wasn't the word for it. Although for a great cause, this small
>> community cannot handle too many more of these types of events. The
>> innocent everyday tourist who arrives on days like yesterday vow never to
>> return.
>> Lisa Malandra
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "keith mackenzie"
>> To: "GDG"
>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
>>
>>
>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Bet it was loud.
>>>
>>> K.
>>> (A.B.A.T.E. of Eastern Suffolk)
>>>
>>> thepurd at comcast.net wrote: Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>> Today's "Ride to Gettysburg" sponsored by A.B.A.T. E. of PA was
>>> spectacular success....possibly the largest # of riders in its 7 year
>>> history. Line of bikes on Route 15 was close to three miles long...
>>> impressive site site from a bridge.
>>> Rep. Readshaw will release details Monday.
>>> Riders included Lt. Gov. Katherine Baker Knoll, Superior Court Judge (
>>> and
>>> Supreme Court candidate) Seamus McCaffery, and Dan Moul ...state Rep.
>>> from
>>> Gettysburg. Readshaw was unable to ride a motorcycle due to a back
>>> problem, but his wife, Carol, did.
>>> Proceedes will be split between the Pennsylvania Gettysburg Monuments
>>> Project and the Gettysburg Battlefield Preservation Association for the
>>> preservation of the Daniel Lady Farm.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Jay Purdy
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:03:34 -0400
From: "Lisa Malandra" 

Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
To: "GDG" 
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Since I started this before I left the house this morning, it is interesting

to read everyone's comments. The post from John B. (LBG) comes very close 
to my sentiments. Remenber please that the fields that surround this town 
that are owned by the NPS is not the only "battlefield". As a Licensed Town 
Guide I help people understand how the military action changed this place, 
and yes that has been since "day 5". The disrespect of some unfortunately 
taint the whole. I also agree that events like yesterdays' are at least 
benfitting a worthwhile cause, but when certain events literally shut down a

community, that's wrong. We no longer conduct Town Tours during certain 
events, and I have worked in some retail & museum environments that close as

well. The residents of Gettysburg do not welcome these events at all, they 
are simply forced on us. We simply learn how to cope with a very unpleasant 
experience.
Lisa Malandra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Baniszewski" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:

The one and only thing that bothers me about motorcycles in Gettysburg is 
the loudness of them on the battlefield. There are probably still the 
remains of hundreds of young Americans lying beneath the soil, all over the 
battlefield. Not all bodies were found when the re-internments were done. 
It was just a few years ago that remains of a young man were found at the 
railroad cut.

Many motorcycles are loud. Many motorcyclists like them because they are 
loud. But there are certain places and times where loudness does not 
belong. Would you shout in the middle of a funeral? Would you drive 
through a cemetery with your car windows down and your radio playing at max 
volume? The entire battlefield is a cemetery. Cycles on Route 15 are fine. 
But the roads on the battlefield are not there for vehicle traffic - they 
are there to enable you to visit this unique and somber place. The 
battlefield can be visited on foot, or on the bus.

I no longer give tours during Harley Weekend, for the above reasons. I also 
recommend people to avoid that weekend for visits to the battlefield.

John Baniszewski, LBG

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:33:00 -0400
From: "Jim Lamason" 
Subject: RE: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg
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I will add my amens to all of your thoughts. 

I have been in town for only one of these days. As a result, I now stay away
from it for that very reason. 

I know it makes the town needed funds to operate but other then that? 
I wish didn't have to happen! 

JIM Lamason

-----Original Message-----
From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com [mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com]
On Behalf Of Lisa Malandra
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:04 PM
To: GDG
Subject: Re: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:

Since I started this before I left the house this morning, it is interesting

to read everyone's comments. The post from John B. (LBG) comes very close 
to my sentiments. Remenber please that the fields that surround this town 
that are owned by the NPS is not the only "battlefield". As a Licensed Town

Guide I help people understand how the military action changed this place, 
and yes that has been since "day 5". The disrespect of some unfortunately 
taint the whole. I also agree that events like yesterdays' are at least 
benfitting a worthwhile cause, but when certain events literally shut down a

community, that's wrong. We no longer conduct Town Tours during certain 
events, and I have worked in some retail & museum environments that close as

well. The residents of Gettysburg do not welcome these events at all, they 
are simply forced on us. We simply learn how to cope with a very unpleasant

experience.
Lisa Malandra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Baniszewski" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: GDG- Motorcycle ride for Gettysburg

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:

The one and only thing that bothers me about motorcycles in Gettysburg is 
the loudness of them on the battlefield. There are probably still the 
remains of hundreds of young Americans lying beneath the soil, all over the 
battlefield. Not all bodies were found when the re-internments were done. 
It was just a few years ago that remains of a young man were found at the 
railroad cut.

Many motorcycles are loud. Many motorcyclists like them because they are 
loud. But there are certain places and times where loudness does not 
belong. Would you shout in the middle of a funeral? Would you drive 
through a cemetery with your car windows down and your radio playing at max 
volume? The entire battlefield is a cemetery. Cycles on Route 15 are fine.

But the roads on the battlefield are not there for vehicle traffic - they 
are there to enable you to visit this unique and somber place. The 
battlefield can be visited on foot, or on the bus.

I no longer give tours during Harley Weekend, for the above reasons. I also

recommend people to avoid that weekend for visits to the battlefield.

John Baniszewski, LBG

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:10:06 -0400
From: "Tom Ryan" 

Subject: RE: GDG- JEB Stuart
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Keith,

There is nothing in the messages from Lee or Longstreet about a timetable
for Stuart's movements. Unfortnately none of Stuart's messages to Lee are
available, so there is no way to know whether he was working on a timetable.

On June 23, Lee followed up his June 22 message to Stuart and told him that
"should [Hooker's army] not appear to be moving northward, I think you had
better withdraw this side of the mountain to-morrow night, cross at
Shepherdstown next day, and move over to Fredericktown. You will, however,
be able to judge whether you can pass around their army without
hinderance...."

Those are pretty vague orders. But my reading of the situation is, once
Stuart realized that the Union army was moving northward (in other words the
opposite of "not...moving northward"), he felt that he had the authority to
"pass around their army." If this reading of Lee's orders is correct, then
Stuart was following orders when he detoured around the rear of the Union
army.

<earned. I also know that cavalry is a fairly autonomous instrument and used

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