GDG- GB National Park 2008 Seminar
Heller, Todd
theller at mercercounty.org
Thu Aug 2 13:01:50 CDT 2007
Fellow GDGers:
I have been in contact with the Rangers at the Gettysburg National park
and have been told that a Seminar "The Third Day" Will be held April
12-13, 2008 and will be held in the new visitor center. Registration
Mailings will be sent out in November .
Todd Heller
Ewing, N.J.
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3. RE: Daniel Butterfield (Tom Ryan)
4. RE: Daniel Butterfield (Fred Johanson)
5. Maps of Gettysburg! (keith mackenzie)
6. Michael Fiscel (Michael Peters)
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:01:48 -0700
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:45:55 -0400
From: <gary.mcginnis at dot.gov>
Subject: GDG- The Timbers Farm
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We went to the Timbers Farm during the muster in June. It is no longer n
the woods. It is in a clearing. I could probably take you there but I
could never describe how to get there. I don't know the road names off
top my head. However I will try,
Starting at the 5th NH proceed through the intersection and down the
hill past the trolley line. After you cross a creek you start up a hill.
About half way up the hill go left through the woods and the Timbers
property sits on a small ledge just outside the woods line.
I'm sure someone has GPS coordinates. I hope this helps even though I
recognize it is vague.
Gary McGinnis
Sykesville, MD
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:54:41 -0400
From: "Tom Ryan" <pennmardel at mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: GDG- Daniel Butterfield
To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
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Having read through the sources that I have available that Longacre
cited in
his bio of Dan Butterfield (Phanz, Coddington, Patrick, Cleaves and
Hebert),
I get the impression that the real Dan Butterfield has yet to be
described
in the history books. A more objective, comprehensive study of this man
is
needed to confirm or dispell some of the negative characterizations that
appear in these sources.
Perhaps some of the other sources that Longacre cited provide a clearer
picture of Butterfield, but I do not have any of them readily available.
Marsena Patrick has nothing good to say about Butterfield in his diary,
but
this seems to be based on the fact that Butterfield as COS kept the
perpetually grumpy Patrick busy taking care of actions for headquarters.
However, almost everyone got onto Patrick's "s" list for one reason or
another.
Coddington's description of the orders Butterfield drew up for a
potential
retreat from Gettysburg seems to have caused most people to get on
Butterfield's case because it ended up making Meade look bad. It is not
clear whether Butterfield is the problem in this situation, or at least
part
of it may relate to Meade's faulty memory of the event.
Butterfield's appearance at the JCCW on Gettysburg is another black mark
usually applied to B's record, yet he obviously was there to aid his
friend
Joe Hooker more than he attempted to smear Meade, I believe.
Beyond this there is not enough substance about Butterfield to permit a
valid judgment regarding his capability and performance as a Union
officer.
The Historical Times Encyclopedia states that "Through excessive
officiousness and a bad temper, Butterfield gained many enemies and the
nickname 'Little Napoleon.'" This sounds like it came straight out of
Patrick's diary, since he referred to Butterfield as "Napoleon."
Butterfield seems to have had a pretty decent record as a line officer
with
the exception of at Fredericksburg. He was awarded the MOH for Gaines'
Mills 30 years after the war, but that could have been because of good
political connections.
Anyone else have an opinion about Dan the Man that adds something to the
story?
Tom
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From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com
[mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com]On Behalf Of Fred Johanson
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:41 PM
To: GDG
Subject: RE: GDG- Daniel Butterfield
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Here's the bibliography:
Bibliography
Some of Butterfield's wartime and postwar correspondence can be found in
the Lucia Chauncey Porter Papers in the U.S. Military Academy Library.
His campaign reports form part of The War of the Rebellion: A
Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies
(128 vols., 1880-1901). The most comprehensive source of biographical
information is Julia Lorrilard Butterfield, ed., A Biographical Memorial
of General Daniel Butterfield (1904). His role as chief of staff to
Generals Hooker and Meade is covered in Joseph Hebert, "Fighting Joe"
Hooker (1944), and Freeman Cleaves, Meade of Gettysburg (1960). The
Meade-Butterfield controversy is examined in Edwin B. Coddington, The
Gettysburg Campaign: A Study in Command (1968), and Harry W. Pfanz,
Gettysburg: The Second Day (1987). Contemporary assessments of
Butterfield appear in Allan Nevins, ed., A Diary of Battle: The Personal
Journals of Colonel Charles S. Wainwright, 1861-1865 (1962), and David
S. Sparks, ed., Inside Lincoln's Army: The Diary of Marsena Rudolph
Patrick, Provost Marshal General, Army of the Potomac (1964). A more
sympathetic portrait emerges in the wartime correspondence of
Butterfield's brigade bugler, Oliver Willcox Norton, War Letters,
1861-1865 (1903). A good account of what occurred at Berkeley Hundred in
the summer of 1862 is Russell Booth, "Butterfield and 'Taps'," Civil War
Times Illustrated 16 (Dec. 1977): 35-39. An obituary is in the New York
Times, 18 July 1901.
Edward G. Longacre
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:07:32 -0500
From: "Fred Johanson" <Fred at uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: GDG- Daniel Butterfield
To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
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I find it interesting, and probably important, that Grant and Stanton
seem to have nothing to force him out of the army after the war. He
remained Col. USA in command of the 5th Inf, stationed in his home town,
NYC, until 1870.
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From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com
[mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ryan
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:55 AM
To: GDG
Subject: RE: GDG- Daniel Butterfield
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Having read through the sources that I have available that Longacre
cited in his bio of Dan Butterfield (Phanz, Coddington, Patrick, Cleaves
and Hebert), I get the impression that the real Dan Butterfield has yet
to be described in the history books. A more objective, comprehensive
study of this man is needed to confirm or dispell some of the negative
characterizations that appear in these sources.
Perhaps some of the other sources that Longacre cited provide a clearer
picture of Butterfield, but I do not have any of them readily available.
Marsena Patrick has nothing good to say about Butterfield in his diary,
but this seems to be based on the fact that Butterfield as COS kept the
perpetually grumpy Patrick busy taking care of actions for headquarters.
However, almost everyone got onto Patrick's "s" list for one reason or
another.
Coddington's description of the orders Butterfield drew up for a
potential retreat from Gettysburg seems to have caused most people to
get on Butterfield's case because it ended up making Meade look bad. It
is not clear whether Butterfield is the problem in this situation, or at
least part of it may relate to Meade's faulty memory of the event.
Butterfield's appearance at the JCCW on Gettysburg is another black mark
usually applied to B's record, yet he obviously was there to aid his
friend Joe Hooker more than he attempted to smear Meade, I believe.
Beyond this there is not enough substance about Butterfield to permit a
valid judgment regarding his capability and performance as a Union
officer.
The Historical Times Encyclopedia states that "Through excessive
officiousness and a bad temper, Butterfield gained many enemies and the
nickname 'Little Napoleon.'" This sounds like it came straight out of
Patrick's diary, since he referred to Butterfield as "Napoleon."
Butterfield seems to have had a pretty decent record as a line officer
with the exception of at Fredericksburg. He was awarded the MOH for
Gaines'
Mills 30 years after the war, but that could have been because of good
political connections.
Anyone else have an opinion about Dan the Man that adds something to the
story?
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com
[mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com]On Behalf Of Fred Johanson
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:41 PM
To: GDG
Subject: RE: GDG- Daniel Butterfield
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Here's the bibliography:
Bibliography
Some of Butterfield's wartime and postwar correspondence can be found in
the Lucia Chauncey Porter Papers in the U.S. Military Academy Library.
His campaign reports form part of The War of the Rebellion: A
Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies
(128 vols., 1880-1901). The most comprehensive source of biographical
information is Julia Lorrilard Butterfield, ed., A Biographical Memorial
of General Daniel Butterfield (1904). His role as chief of staff to
Generals Hooker and Meade is covered in Joseph Hebert, "Fighting Joe"
Hooker (1944), and Freeman Cleaves, Meade of Gettysburg (1960). The
Meade-Butterfield controversy is examined in Edwin B. Coddington, The
Gettysburg Campaign: A Study in Command (1968), and Harry W. Pfanz,
Gettysburg: The Second Day (1987). Contemporary assessments of
Butterfield appear in Allan Nevins, ed., A Diary of Battle: The Personal
Journals of Colonel Charles S. Wainwright, 1861-1865 (1962), and David
S. Sparks, ed., Inside Lincoln's Army: The Diary of Marsena Rudolph
Patrick, Provost Marshal General, Army of the Potomac (1964). A more
sympathetic portrait emerges in the wartime correspondence of
Butterfield's brigade bugler, Oliver Willcox Norton, War Letters,
1861-1865 (1903). A good account of what occurred at Berkeley Hundred in
the summer of 1862 is Russell Booth, "Butterfield and 'Taps'," Civil War
Times Illustrated 16 (Dec. 1977): 35-39. An obituary is in the New York
Times, 18 July 1901.
Edward G. Longacre
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:14:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith mackenzie <bluzdad at yahoo.com>
Subject: GDG- Maps of Gettysburg!
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Got my copy today, with a very nice dedication from Brad, recognizing my
contribution to the arts in general, and the GDG in particular. I'm just
a little verklempt. I'm hoping to ride to the burg sometime in the next
week or so, and the book arriving just in time is all the excuse I'll
need. Thanks to Ted and crew at Savas Beatty, and to Brad.
K.
(Bohemia), Long Island, NY
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:46:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Peters <colliszouave at yahoo.com>
Subject: GDG- Michael Fiscel
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Looking for information on the Michael Fiscel farm,
location of the Fifth Corps Hospital. IIRC, it was/is
1-2 miles east of the Round Tops.
Respectively,
Mike Peters
colliszouave at yahoo.com
npeters102 at aol.com
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