GDG- BMI

huddleston.r at comcast.net huddleston.r at comcast.net
Tue Oct 31 21:57:24 CST 2006 

That is the problem with working with memory.. the @#$$%^%& fails in the details!

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Take care, 

Bob 

Judy and Bob Huddleston 
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...the greatest and the noblest man of the last century was Abraham Lincoln…Though America was his motherland and he was an American, he regarded the whole world as his native land. 

Mahatma Gandhi, August 26, 1905

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From: "Tom Ryan" <pennmardel at mchsi.com> 

> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
> 
> 
> <> including information that all of Lee's brigades had been engaged except 
> those of Pickett's division. It did not give size estimates or estimates of 
> the ANV losses on 1 and 2 July. There is a picture in Fishel and I have a 
> xerox of the original.>> 
> 
> Bob, 
> 
> Just to clarify what you posted, Babcock did not provide Meade with a 
> "detailed and complete order of battle." He did, however, provide him with 
> information to the effect that only Pickett's division had not yet been 
> committed to battle. That was stated in a brief note to Meade. 
> 
> I assume what you are looking at the order of battle shown opposite page 
> 369 in Fishel, which is an OB that the BMI provided to Hooker prior to the 
> Battle of Chancellorsville. While this would have be informative to Meade, 
> it was no longer operable during the Gettysburg Campaign. Also, there is no 
> evidence that Meade ever saw the Chancellorsville OB. 
> 
> The only OB known to be given to Meade at Gettysburg is for Ewell's 
> corps 
> only. However, in my opinion, that should have been the trigger for Meade 
> to request a complete OB on the ANV. He evidently chose not to do this. 
> That is what I find to be surprising. 
> 
> Tom Ryan 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com 
> [mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com]On Behalf Of 
> huddleston.r at comcast.net 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:26 PM 
> To: GDG 
> Subject: RE: GDG- BMI 
> 
> 
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Take care, 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> Judy and Bob Huddleston 
> 10643 Sperry Street 
> Northglenn, CO 80234-3612 
> huddleston.r at comcast.net 
> 
> ...the greatest and the noblest man of the last century was Abraham 
> Lincoln…Though America was his motherland and he was an American, he 
> regarded the whole world as his native land. 
> 
> Mahatma Gandhi, August 26, 1905 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Tom Ryan" 
> 
> > Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
> > 
> > 
> > Tim, 
> > 
> > At the July 2 commander's meeting, Meade reportedly passed along the 
> > BMI's 
> > information that Lee had used up his entire army with the exception of 
> > Pickett's division. You would think someone in that group would have been 
> > curious enough to want additional information from the BMI. In other 
> words, 
> > if they were able to determine how Lee had employed his army, wouldn't you 
> > want to know whether the BMI had more specific information about the 
> > strength and leadership of the ANV units? 
> > 
> > While I agree that we should not be overly critical, at the same time we 
> > cannot dismiss the fact that the AoP command was blue skying the size of 
> > Lee's army. I would have been a bit more inquisitive. 
> > 
> > Regards, Tom 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com 
> > [mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com]On Behalf Of Tim Gennett 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:44 PM 
> > To: GDG 
> > Subject: Re: GDG- BMI 
> > 
> > 
> > Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
> > 
> > 
> > Sure, no problem with that. I only mean to point out that, beyond Patrick 
> > and perhaps Butterfield, NONE of the senior commanders of the AoP 
> recognized 
> > the value of the BMI intelligence. The work the BMI was doing was top 
> notch 
> > but revolutionary and ground breaking, and such things can be slow to gain 
> > widespread acceptance or understanding. Against that, I can be a bit 
> > critical of Meade for not "getting it" sooner, but I am compelled to 
> temper 
> > that criticism in recognizing the reality of the situation. 
> > 
> > Stated another way, would I have "gotten it" under the same circumstances? 
> > Doubtful. 
> > 
> > Regards, Tim 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tom Ryan" 
> > To: "GDG" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 09:44 
> > Subject: RE: GDG- BMI 
> > 
> > 
> > > Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Tim, 
> > > 
> > > It all depends on where we, the long distance observers, believe the 
> > > burden 
> > > should lie for recognizing and accepting the intelligence that the BMI 
> > > produced. In my opinion, that burden belongs on the AoP commanders. 
> > 
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